Hacking

[notbumble]

The only reason I am discussing it here is because it would cause a lot of flaming and problems on Nexon Forums.

I've noticed a lot of players coming from China already showing screenshots of them hacking such as these pictures which have altered stats.

Due to hacking and other problems, many Nexon players do not want Chinese players joining DFO and are telling them that they will be IP blocked.

So my question is, do you feel that Chinese players should or should not be IP blocked?

Please note that the current company (Tencent) that runs Chinese DnF is not updating it and there are many problems with the community making honest and non-hacking Chinese players very upset and wanting to play the English version.

Also, how do you feel about possible IP blocks that could occur with other nations?

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[gr1p]

It doesn't make logical sense that they "invade" our North American launch, specially if they're known hackers. I don't mind playing with other people, but it sometimes gets annoying when you play with laggers (distance lag) and people that don't speak your language.

[Rusty]

I'm for IP blocks personally.

If they have their own version, they should stick to it.

If the company isn't doing what they're supposed to, the users need to take action, not migrate; that's not solving the problem at all.

IP blocks are most likely inevitable; I don't think players are telling the chinese there will be a block because they don't want them, but because it's the honest truth.

The game is localized for China, Nexon America is going to IP block them.

They IP block everything but NA for Mabinogi (and some other regions I think), and they IP blocked Europe when MapleStory got an EU Version.

I feel that all nations with their own respective localized version should be IP blocked.

If you live in Japan, play the Japan version.

For nations that don't have their own version, some company should pick up the game and make it Global, while Nexon America, which caters to North Americans, should be for North Americans.

My simple thinking is simple, and probably has some flaws; plus I don't actually have any true reasoning for wanting IP blocks.

[Eoi]

Well, not to be offensive or anything, its China...they have no "clean" games. Hackers galore, and yes Nexon Forums are being fluided with Chinese hackers, its looking like Nexon's release Audition all over again. But, I mean no offense to Dom, you English bastard you, but I can smell ip block all over this, it sucks but it usually happens. But there are nifty ways getting around the block, and with VPN + Arad the P2P issue doesn't seem to be affect from what I remember. Ip block good and bad, keeps the hacking chinese out, but also blocks out good friends, so coin tosses for all.

[notbumble]

Originally Posted by Eoi

Well, not to be offensive or anything, its China...they have no "clean" games. Hackers galore, and yes Nexon Forums are being fluided with Chinese hackers, its looking like Nexon's release Audition all over again. But, I mean no offense to Dom, you English bastard you, but I can smell ip block all over this, it sucks but it usually happens. But there are nifty ways getting around the block, and with VPN + Arad the P2P issue doesn't seem to be affect from what I remember. Ip block good and bad, keeps the hacking chinese out, but also blocks out good friends, so coin tosses for all.

I've noticed that already, a lot of Chinese players have shown up. Out of the four people on Nexon Forums right now, three of them are Chinese.

[gr1p]

Originally Posted by thrill

I've noticed that already, a lot of Chinese players have shown up. Out of the four people on Nexon Forums right now, three of them are Chinese.

That won't matter if Nexon IP blocks.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Eoi

Well, not to be offensive or anything, its China...they have no "clean" games. Hackers galore, and yes Nexon Forums are being fluided with Chinese hackers, its looking like Nexon's release Audition all over again. But, I mean no offense to Dom, you English bastard you, but I can smell ip block all over this, it sucks but it usually happens. But there are nifty ways getting around the block, and with VPN + Arad the P2P issue doesn't seem to be affect from what I remember. Ip block good and bad, keeps the hacking chinese out, but also blocks out good friends, so coin tosses for all.

Don't be concerned about myself I played Mabinogi for a good while and had big problems with combat lag so I couldn't necessarily level in that sense but instead, I focused entirely on Tailoring and enjoyed running a community so I was happy with that aspect. I expect things to be different though with this game, the game is less lag-sensitive and it shouldn't be too much of a problem accessing it via VPN.

I'm actually against for the IP block at this moment in time. I just remmeber global games and without any indended culturism (which I'm not even sure is a word, think Racism in regards to Cultures), I did not enjoy some regions speaking foreign languages and attempting English. That sounds horrible, but surely you can understand how annoying that can be at times. A very selfish outlook, but we are looking at a NA host here, we don't want to have to cater for several languages in partys and dungeon runs.

Staying on topic, what protection system do both the games offer? I mean, is there a Gameguard or some similar alternative? I think Nexon are too established to let a game become completely over run by hackers without attempting to stop it. Look at how they are handling the dupe glitches in Mabinogi, sure it's questionable some of their methods, but they are attempting to combat it.

[notbumble]

Originally Posted by Dom

Don't be concerned about myself I played Mabinogi for a good while and had big problems with combat lag so I couldn't necessarily level in that sense but instead, I focused entirely on Tailoring and enjoyed running a community so I was happy with that aspect. I expect things to be different though with this game, the game is less lag-sensitive and it shouldn't be too much of a problem accessing it via VPN.

I'm actually against for the IP block at this moment in time. I just remmeber global games and without any indended culturism (which I'm not even sure is a word, think Racism in regards to Cultures), I did not enjoy some regions speaking foreign languages and attempting English. That sounds horrible, but surely you can understand how annoying that can be at times. A very selfish outlook, but we are looking at a NA host here, we don't want to have to cater for several languages in partys and dungeon runs.

Staying on topic, what protection system do both the games offer? I mean, is there a Gameguard or some similar alternative? I think Nexon are too established to let a game become completely over run by hackers without attempting to stop it. Look at how they are handling the dupe glitches in Mabinogi, sure it's questionable some of their methods, but they are attempting to combat it.

Korean DnF uses AhnLab for their website and game (you have to access the game through the website, I doubt this will happen for DFO).

[Rusty]

Mabinogi finished its update earlier this morning.

I just ran the launcher, and AhnLab hack shield came up.

Seems, they ditched GameGuard finally.

I noticed for MapleStory recently that they are also using AhnLab hackshield now, opposed to the old gameguard.

I still have gameguard files in my folders.

It seems they're taking a postive step towards trying to stop hackers; by (what must be, them apparently) upgrading their hacking defenses by getting rid of GameGuard and switching to AhnLab.

I mean honestly, if they didn't see a reason or benefeit to switch to AL, why would they ditch GG?

Unless it's a cheaper alternative or something. ._.

[notbumble]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Mabinogi finished its update earlier this morning.

I just ran the launcher, and AhnLab hack shield came up.

Seems, they ditched GameGuard finally.

I noticed for MapleStory recently that they are also using AhnLab hackshield now, opposed to the old gameguard.

I still have gameguard files in my folders.

It seems they're taking a postive step towards trying to stop hackers; by (what must be, them apparently) upgrading their hacking defenses by getting rid of GameGuard and switching to AhnLab.

I mean honestly, if they didn't see a reason or benefeit to switch to AL, why would they ditch GG?

Unless it's a cheaper alternative or something. ._.

GameGuard has caused a lot of issues for players trying to uninstall or reinstall a game, I prefer AhnLab over it to be honest. x3